TrueHUD causes crashes while caching

[0pLuS0]

Describe the bug
TrueHUD & DynDOLOD DLL NG crash NGIO-NG.

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Caching
If you are having issues with Caching, please upload PrecacheGrass.txt
I'm using MO2 2.5.0 and I created several times the PrecacheGrass.txt in the root folder of Skyrim next to SkyrimSE.exe but the PrecacheGrass.txt always disappears.

Config
Please upload your GrassControl.ini
GrassControl.ini.txt

Log
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NGIO-NG.log

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I'm running SSE 1.6.640.0 using MO2 2.5.0 and NGIO-NG 1.0.11. If TrueHUD & DynDOLOD DLL NG are enabled the grass cache process crashes repeatedly and will not complete.

I have to disable TrueHUD and DynDOLOD DLL NG to create the grass cache. The info in the NGIO-NG.log is as far as the cache process will go before it crashes.

I installed trainwreck and I have log files, hopefully these will also help.

This log is with both mods enabled, but it seems to only show the issue I believe releated to TrueHUD.
TruHUD.log

When I disable TrueHUD then it shows the issue now with DynDOLOD DLL NG. - Alpha 19
DynDOLOD DLL NG.log

Here is my modlist from MO2.
modlist.txt

Here are my Skyrim INI files.

Skyrim.ini.txt

SkyrimCustom.ini.txt

SkyrimPrefs.ini.txt

THANKS

[SaneEngineer]

TruHUD is unlikely to be the issue and likely only shows because of a background task. There does not seem to be anything I can do on my end in regards to DynDOLOD. It may be a bug in DynDOLOD, but most likely its an just an incompatibility due to how the two mods work.

[SaneEngineer]

I just tested with Dyndolod NG and was unable to recreate the crash. My guess would be it is an issue with dyndolod and Worldspace Transition Tweaks - Skyrim To Solstheim

[0pLuS0]

Hi @SaneEngineer

In SSE 1.5.97.0 using the original NGIO I also had to uncheck/disable TruHUD to create the grass cache, otherwise it would crash, and not complete.

In 1.5.97.0 I also had to disable moreHUD and Look What You See.

I had this problem for 2 years trying to create the grass cache in 1.5.97.0, so I always had to keep these 3 mods disabled in MO2.

I'll disable Worldspace Transition Tweaks and leave DynDOLOD DLL NG enabled and see what happens.

THANKS

[0pLuS0]

Hello @SaneEngineer

I just unchecked/disabled Worldspace Transition Tweaks - Skyrim To Solstheim in MO2 and reran it over, and it crashed again.

I had TruHUD also unchecked/disabled in MO2, but DynDOLOD DLLL NG was enabled.

Here's the log from trainwreck.

Worldspace Transition Tweaks - Skyrim To Solstheim.log

THANKS

[SaneEngineer]

I appreciate the logs and testing. I would recommend only generating another worldspace such as Tamriel to see if its an issue with a lod file.

[0pLuS0]

Hi @SaneEngineer

I don't understand what you are asking to do, how to do, generating another worldspace such as Tamriel?

If you are talking about xLODGen and DynDOLOD, I am running these after I create the grass cache.

By the way there was a new update for DynDOLOD DLL NG Alpha 22 I tried, same thing it crashed, here's that log if it helps.

DynDOLOD DLL NG Alpha 22.log

THANKS

[SaneEngineer]

I was suggesting to run grass cache with Only-pregenerate-world-spaces set to Tamriel to see if it is an issue with the worldspace or a general issue with dydoldod

[0pLuS0]

Ahhh ok, my bad, let me go try that now.

THANKS

[0pLuS0]

I forgot to ask, should the world spaces be in "Quotes" or it doesn't matter?

Only-pregenerate-world-spaces = Tamriel
Only-pregenerate-world-spaces = "Tamriel"

Before I had them all in quotes like this;

Only-pregenerate-world-spaces = "AlftandWorld;Blackreach;BlindCliffCaveWorld;BloatedMansGrottoWorld;BluePalaceWingWorld;BrinewaterGrottoWorld;DarkwaterWorld;DeepwoodRedoubtWorld;DLC01Boneyard;DLC01FalmerValley;DLC01SoulCairn;DLC1AncestorsGladeWorld;DLC1DarkfallPassageWorld;DLC1ForebearsHoldout;DLC1HunterHQWorld;DLC1VampireCastleCourtyard;DLC2SolstheimWorld;EastEmpireWarehouse;EldergleamSanctuaryWorld;FallowstoneCaveWorldEnd;FallowstoneCaveWorldStart;FrostmereCryptWorld;JaphetsFollyWorld;KarthspireRedoubtWorld;KatariahWorld;LabyrinthianWorld;LabyrinthianWorld03;LabyrinthianWorld04;MarkarthWorld;MossMotherCavernWorld;RedEagleRedoubtWorld;RiftenWorld;ShadowgreenCavernWorld;SkuldafnWorld;SolitudeWorld;SouthfringeWorld;Sovngarde;Tamriel;TestSnow;WhiterunDragonsreachWorld;WhiterunWorld;WindhelmPitWorldspace;WindhelmWorld"

THANKS

[SaneEngineer]

Sorry for not responding they aren't supposed to be in quotes but its shouldn't matter. As long as they show up properly in the log.

[0pLuS0]

It completed successfully with only; Only-pregenerate-world-spaces = Tamriel The cache size shows as 1.50 GB.

Here's a screen shot it completed...

So what does this now possibly point to?

THANKS

PS. TrueHUD was disabled...

[0pLuS0]

I just enabled TrueHUD and tried to create the grass cache for only Tamriel and it crashed. By the way, if I didn't put Tamriel in quotes it wouldn't create the grass. hmm

Here's a log from trainwreck...

TrueHUD.log

[SaneEngineer]

That issue is likely an lod mesh, let me see if I can find want the issue with TrueHud is

[SaneEngineer]

After some testing, I was able to replicate similar crashlogs, but it seems like truehud is just showing up because of something it is doing in the background. The frequency and locations is the same with and without for me.

[0pLuS0]

I decided to keep TrueHud and DynDOLOD DLL NG enabled and it completed and created the grass cache.

So trying to think back, using the original NGIO and seeing this issue, maybe this time I jumped too soon.

BUT, the one thing that does happen, is that SSE crashes literally 10-15 times more.

If I have TrueHUD and DynDOLOD DLL NG disabled, SSE will only crash 3-4 times.

If I enabled these mods, SSE will crash 30-40 times, and when it starts coming to the end, where it's saying doing World 39 out of 41, World 40 out of 41 and World 41 out of 41 it will seriously crash every 30-40 seconds until it's completed.

I don't get why it crashes so much with these mods enabled.

It also takes twice as long to create the grass cache with TrueHud and DynDOLOD DLL NG enabled.

THANKS

[SaneEngineer]

DynDOLOD is likely to cause more issues and you should make sure your DynDOLOD output is disable while generating a grass cache. TrueHUD should be fine.

[0pLuS0]

DynDOLOD DLL NG Alpha-23 was just released today, and I tried that with NGIO-NG-1.0.12-1.6.640 and it ran normal, only restarted 4 times.

Later I'll try with TrueHUD enabled and see how it goes.

THANKS

[0pLuS0]

I'm still seeing the same issue with TrueHUD enabled with SSE 1.6.640.0 using NGIO - Anniversary Edition (1.6.629 to 1.6.659)-42161-1-0-16f2.

It actually started to crash more, this time it starts right when I press the tilde key and as soon as the cache starts it crashes. It never started to crash in the beginning like this, maybe this helps you understand something about this.

All I know is I still have to disable it, if I don't want it crashing a lot, and taking more time to create the grass cache.

THANKS

[Soukmancer]

I don't recall experiencing this at all in 1.5.97 ... certainly seems to be the case in 1.6.1170 ... Crash log analyzer doesn't point to Dyndolod DLL but the culprit list is SkyrimSE.exe, NiNode, HUD, and tbbmalloc.dll 99% of the time.

[0pLuS0]

Hello @SaneEngineer

Since I opened this issue, I've added more mods to my setup and I had problems with this load order too.

It took me around 6 hours to figure out what was going on...

The latest Open Animation Replacer 2.3.6 seems to be causing issues, with major amounts of crashing so I had to disable it.

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/92109

And these two other mods I had to disable as well;

Simplicity of Snow
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/56235

Vanilla Landscapes Corrections
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/104962

[SaneEngineer]

I appreciate you letting me know. Seems like there is some issue with version 2.3.6 of Open Animation Replacer unrelated to mod and newer version in general, I'd try using an older version, 2.3.5 seems like it is fine. The crash with Simplicity of Snow is likely the result of a mesh conflict, meshes not compatible with SoS will cause crashes, rather than a conflict with this mod. I'd look at crashlogs, if there are any for a specific cause. As for Vanilla Landscapes Corrections, I'd assume its a compatibility issue with different mod, I'd report it to the author.

[0pLuS0]

@SaneEngineer

I found out something odd/interesting...

If I don't open the console with the tilde key and keep it closed the grass cache works really well, in fact it even runs faster.

I just now realized, it's only crashing all the time, and supposedly with certain apps, only when keeping the console open.

As long as I keep the console closed I don't have to disable any mods... So for now I just keep the console closed...

THANKS keep up the great work!